ELK ROKK ([info]freakytigger) wrote,
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Cross-Platform Medieval Mentalists Special (Part 1 of 3)
(Further instalments to appear on Freaky Trigger and my Tumblr)

""You will eat Him," says Le Livre de Crainte Amoureuse of Jean Berthelemy, in speaking of the Eucharist, "roasted at the fire, well baked, not at all overdone or burnt. For just as the Easter lamb was properly baked and roasted between two fires of wood or of charcoal, thus was gentle Jesus on Good Friday placed on the spit of the worthy cross, and tied between the two fires of His very fearful death and passion, and of the very ardent charity and love which He felt for our souls and our salvation. He was, as it were, roasted and slowly baked to save us.""

- J.Huizinga, The Waning of the Middle Ages


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[info]carsmilesteve
2009-02-19 11:25 am UTC (link)
mmmm, slow-baked jebus...

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[info]dubdobdee
2009-02-19 11:30 am UTC (link)
what are berthelmy's dates?

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[info]freakytigger
2009-02-19 11:40 am UTC (link)
Impossible to say (in my puny abridged translation of "Waning") - it's entirely feasible Huizinga made him up!

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[info]dubdobdee
2009-02-19 12:04 pm UTC (link)
haha -- i have found another reference to this work, but it's deep in an academic paper i can't access

the cathars were obsessed with the physical stomachy consumption of jebus body and would say EVEN IF HE WAS AS BIG AS THAT MOUNTAIN *points* (cathars often lived by big mountains) he would be all eaten up by now and PASSED OUT OF THE BODY so what is jesus made of now eh?

ie viz, they argued that the consumption and transubstatiation of the huist was metaphorical rather than actual (which argument was an HERESY)

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[info]dubdobdee
2009-02-19 12:04 pm UTC (link)
huist = host

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[info]freakytigger
2009-02-19 11:57 am UTC (link)
The source is a book on mysticism by the 19th C art collector Charles Oulmont - without access to that I can probe no further...

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this
[info]dubdobdee
2009-02-19 12:28 pm UTC (link)
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=oYsSAAAAIAAJ&pg=PT151&lpg=PT151&dq=%22Le+Livre+de+Crainte+Amo

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oops the highlight doesn't transfer
[info]dubdobdee
2009-02-19 12:30 pm UTC (link)
cf 95

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[info]piratemoggy
2009-02-19 11:43 am UTC (link)
"I don't think much of this presentation, though and the sauce is a bit anaemic. Really needs some OOMPH to take this eucharist to the professional level," said John Torode.

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Part 2 now up on Tumblr
[info]freakytigger
2009-02-19 01:49 pm UTC (link)
http://tomewing.tumblr.com/post/79657565/cross-platform-medieval-mentalist-special-part-2-of-3

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[info]epicharmus
2009-02-19 05:41 pm UTC (link)
Lester: "SO YOU'VE ACTUALLY GOTTEN TO EAT THE KING OF KINGS! which would be the living end in terms of souvenirs, fetishism, psychofandom, the collector's mentality, or even just hero-worship in general."

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